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 Post subject: Re: Curare's Clan League 2
PostPosted: 28 Nov 2019, 04:51 
Merchant
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They have finally done it!

Legends rush in for their first two wins!

Inactive Warriors and Age Of Turk could not prevent these victories!

The race for the playoff spots is on!



LEAGUE TABLE (Eligible for CCL2 Playoffs)

8 0 Thanatosis
7 0 Vikings
6 0 NoNameNoFlag
5 0 Maximum Security Jail
3 4 Age Of Turk
2 3 Shadows
2 4 Legends
2 4 Vikings 2
2 5 Maximum Security Jail 2
1 4 Arabs
1 4 TheRepublic
1 6 MastersOfWar
1 7 Inactive Warriors


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 Post subject: Re: Curare's Clan League 2
PostPosted: 29 Nov 2019, 03:32 
Merchant
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Vikings go 8-0 with a win over MastersOfWar and share the top with Thanatosis yet again!

Vikings 2 rise to the 5th place in the League Table with a win over TheRepublic!



LEAGUE TABLE (Eligible for CCL2 Playoffs)

8 0 Thanatosis
8 0 Vikings
6 0 NoNameNoFlag
5 0 Maximum Security Jail
3 4 Vikings 2
3 4 Age Of Turk
2 3 Shadows
2 4 Legends
2 5 Maximum Security Jail 2
1 4 Arabs
1 5 TheRepublic
1 7 Inactive Warriors
1 7 MastersOfWar


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 Post subject: Re: Curare's Clan League 2
PostPosted: 29 Nov 2019, 06:10 
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Location: Reading (Pronounced Reding), UK
MoW and IW are the best clans here by far...

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 Post subject: Re: Curare's Clan League 2
PostPosted: 29 Nov 2019, 10:37 
Peasant
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Joined: 15 Dec 2017, 12:46
Posts: 24
I dont understand... Theoreticaly MoW is a GREAT team! At least individually speaking.. Howcome they lost 7 games in 8?


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 Post subject: Re: Curare's Clan League 2
PostPosted: 01 Dec 2019, 02:58 
Merchant
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Vikings 2 are on a run! Inactive Warriors stood no chance!

NoNameNoFlag put away their next victims in a defeat for Arabs!



LEAGUE TABLE (Eligible for CCL2 Playoffs)

8 0 Thanatosis
8 0 Vikings
7 0 NoNameNoFlag
5 0 Maximum Security Jail
4 4 Vikings 2
3 4 Age Of Turk
2 3 Shadows
2 4 Legends
2 5 Maximum Security Jail 2
1 5 Arabs
1 5 TheRepublic
1 7 MastersOfWar
1 8 Inactive Warriors


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 Post subject: Re: Curare's Clan League 2
PostPosted: 03 Dec 2019, 00:04 
Merchant
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Vikings 2 come around with their 5th victory already! Legends are left behind!

Maximum Security Jail secure another two wins, Arabs and TheRepublic are left standing!

The fight for the top spot couldn't be tougher!



LEAGUE TABLE (Eligible for CCL2 Playoffs)

8 0 Thanatosis
8 0 Vikings
7 0 Maximum Security Jail
7 0 NoNameNoFlag
5 4 Vikings 2
3 4 Age Of Turk
2 3 Shadows
2 5 Legends
2 5 Maximum Security Jail 2
1 6 Arabs
1 6 TheRepublic
1 7 MastersOfWar
1 8 Inactive Warriors


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 Post subject: Re: Curare's Clan League 2
PostPosted: 08 Dec 2019, 01:53 
Merchant
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Hey folks!

Ocsav and his sharp eyes have pointed out a flaw in my creation of the league duels.
Happily it's not significant eventually, but still good to know.

Quick info up front:
I used an RNG (randon number generator), either giving out a 1 or 0, to determine the sides to play from for each duel.
For example: When determining the sides for the duel of Age Of Turk against MastersOfWar, I would have taken the '0' for Age Of Turk on the left and the '1' for Age Of Turk on the right side.

Take a look at the full list of all duels in the original thread post.
You can see that it's meant to Age Of Turk vs MastersOfWar, so left vs right side.

However they actually played the other way around in League Phase 2.

Here's what happened:
After the randomization process I used a league creator to split the duels into 3 groups, i.e. the 3 League Phases. That program just gave me the duels in random order (could've used that as the RNG too then).
When creating the duels I had not kept in mind that those duels depicted in the league creator were not according to the randomization I had done before.

That's why some duels were played not according to the full duels list.
Others were, that's not a product of a conspiracy however, but just coincidence (it's 50/50 after all).

So, why is that not of significance after all?
Am I just saying that to protect myself?
Is Curare playing a dirty game with all of you?

Well, no.

The scenario is meant to be as balanced as can be on our Ancient Map.
It's not a symmetrical map, however 100 test runs before CCL1 (AI vs AI) led to the result of 50 wins for each side.
It was totally even (keeping variance in mind, that's a bit lucky for demonstration purposes, but still).

I hope you do see how this did most likely not affect anything at all.

I choose to handle these things out in the open for everyone to be in the picture.

If many of you want to do their duels of League Phase 2 again, then we'll see how we go from there.

I hope that won't be the case.

I am sorry for the mistake and very thankful for Ocsav to be so perceptive.

However, the scenario is as balanced as it can be and if you were to disagree, then we would have to do every single duel twice anyway.


So, please let me know your thoughts on this.

Have a nice day, everyone!


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 Post subject: Re: Curare's Clan League 2
PostPosted: 08 Dec 2019, 02:06 
Peasant
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Joined: 15 Dec 2017, 12:46
Posts: 24
There will be no repetition to the games already played. You have to state that clearly, otherwise all who lost those few games will want a re-match. As you said, the scenario is balanced so there is no need for repetitions, and the people who lost those duels would have a 2nd chance to win them and that would not be fair to the other teams who lost and dont have 2nd chances. It stays as it is. That's my thought on this


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 Post subject: Re: Curare's Clan League 2
PostPosted: 08 Dec 2019, 04:50 
Serf
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Joined: 29 Jul 2018, 11:51
Posts: 12
Although MOW lost a terrible number of games, i think we don't have to play them again. The left and right side of the map are indeed different, but as fair as possible. So let's just finish the last games of phase 2 and go to phase 3.


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 Post subject: Re: Curare's Clan League 2
PostPosted: 08 Dec 2019, 09:27 
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I think this is good to know and I thank you for being transparent, but I don't think it requires any change or alteration of the tournament. Essentially, the positioning was still random, just not random as you had intended.

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 Post subject: Re: Curare's Clan League 2
PostPosted: 08 Dec 2019, 10:17 
Merchant
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Joined: 28 Aug 2016, 21:04
Posts: 257
Thank you guys for your feedback! (:

And yes, it's still randomized, of course.

I just wanted to make sure that the sides are as balanced as can be (as far as I know) and that I am not fixing games in any way.

Cool, let's continue to have some fun! (:


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 Post subject: Re: Curare's Clan League 2
PostPosted: 08 Dec 2019, 10:22 
Merchant
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Joined: 28 Aug 2016, 21:04
Posts: 257
Shadows gain another victory and push Legends out of their Playoff spot, for now!


LEAGUE TABLE (Eligible for CCL2 Playoffs)

8 0 Thanatosis
8 0 Vikings
7 0 Maximum Security Jail
7 0 NoNameNoFlag
5 4 Vikings 2
3 3 Shadows
3 4 Age Of Turk
2 5 Maximum Security Jail 2
2 6 Legends
1 6 Arabs
1 6 TheRepublic
1 7 MastersOfWar
1 8 Inactive Warriors


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 Post subject: Re: Curare's Clan League 2
PostPosted: 09 Dec 2019, 11:42 
Merchant
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Joined: 28 Aug 2016, 21:04
Posts: 257
Maximum Security Jail take Shadows prisoner!

The top of the CCL2 Table is stunning!



LEAGUE TABLE (Eligible for CCL2 Playoffs)

8 0 Maximum Security Jail
8 0 Thanatosis
8 0 Vikings
7 0 NoNameNoFlag
5 4 Vikings 2
3 4 Age Of Turk
3 4 Shadows
2 5 Maximum Security Jail 2
2 6 Legends
1 6 Arabs
1 6 TheRepublic
1 7 MastersOfWar
1 8 Inactive Warriors


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 Post subject: Re: Curare's Clan League 2
PostPosted: 12 Dec 2019, 03:54 
Merchant
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Joined: 28 Aug 2016, 21:04
Posts: 257
League Phase 2 has come to an end!

TheRepublic beat Legends in the final result of this round!

Get ready, League Phase 3 is just around the corner!



LEAGUE TABLE (Eligible for CCL2 Playoffs)

8 0 Maximum Security Jail
8 0 Thanatosis
8 0 Vikings
7 0 NoNameNoFlag
5 4 Vikings 2
3 4 Age Of Turk
3 4 Shadows
2 5 Maximum Security Jail 2
2 6 TheRepublic
2 7 Legends
1 6 Arabs
1 7 MastersOfWar
1 8 Inactive Warriors


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 Post subject: Re: Curare's Clan League 2
PostPosted: 12 Dec 2019, 05:49 
Serf
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Joined: 18 Oct 2019, 04:36
Posts: 15
Location: Reading (Pronounced Reding), UK
Is it just me or did phase 2 go extremely quick

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