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 Post subject: Question about draw fight
PostPosted: 31 May 2018, 03:56 
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Hi everyone,

I'm quiet a new player.
I have a question about a fight. I had anticipated this fight and had therefore calculated the number of troops I needed.
Me: in defense, on earth, with the king: 189 troops
Adversary: in attack, by ship, with the king: 143 troops.

When I did my math:
Me: 183 x (100+30)=24570
Adversary: 143 x (100+100-30)=24310

I thought I'd win with two troops left. However (in the Rise of Dz game), there was a draw and I lost all my lands and the opponent too.
Could you explain to me how I was wrong?
Thanks in advance!


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 Post subject: Re: Question about draw fight
PostPosted: 31 May 2018, 05:16 
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If what you wrote is correct, you should have had 1.9365079365079365079365079365079 troops left which would have been rounded down to 1.

Now, you mention once 183 troops, then 189 troops in the text. Which is it? You have a screenshot of the battle to re-confirm?

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 Post subject: Re: Question about draw fight
PostPosted: 31 May 2018, 05:48 
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189 troops :)
See the picturale attached


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 Post subject: Re: Question about draw fight
PostPosted: 31 May 2018, 15:35 
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In that case I am not so sure if I can explain it? :???:

One question: are you running the latest version of the game, i.e. 4.12.188? If that's not the version you are running, it's possible that the troops display is not correct. I.e. if you run an older version, there are things that are missing, resulting in a troop count that is different from actual.

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 Post subject: Re: Question about draw fight
PostPosted: 31 May 2018, 20:28 
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I have the 4.12.186 version on iOS :) and i can t upload a new version
See the result :


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 Post subject: Re: Question about draw fight
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2018, 14:16 
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That's the correct version for iOS! Anyhow, I have no explanation. Anyone else that can make sense of it? :???:

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 Post subject: Re: Question about draw fight
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2018, 16:23 
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Recreated this in the map editor, both indeed died. Somewhere the equation is making a rounding mistake?

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 Post subject: Re: Question about draw fight
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2018, 22:22 
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Thx for your answers. Is it possible that happiness affects the commander’s attack ?


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 Post subject: Re: Question about draw fight
PostPosted: 01 Jun 2018, 22:33 
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No, happiness has no effect.

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 Post subject: Re: Question about draw fight
PostPosted: 21 Jun 2018, 16:05 
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Happyness is influential during my experience when enemy :x happiness is red or under my hapiness, I always defeat the enemy :pal: even though my troop competition is 50-100 difference :klugscheisser: whether the country burned a lot or not? :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Question about draw fight
PostPosted: 21 Jun 2018, 16:10 
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I have an explanation, my king is powerful xD just kidding but i was the attacker in the game who got supr lucky.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about draw fight
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2018, 18:28 
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I remember similar result in recent game between Lucjan (he has changed his name since) and another player. He concluded game math calcultions are wrong compared to what game guide describes. He is a AOC moderator, i suggest you get explanation from him.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about draw fight
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2018, 19:17 
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(lucjan aka Batjan The Dark Viking here...)

Happiness has NO effect.

You are calculating the math as...
189 * (100 + 30) = 24,570
Vs
143 * (100+100-30) = 24,310

And concluding that the remainder would be 260, leading you to win the fight with 2 troops left after the 100 division...which realistically isn't even needed. It complicates the math unnecessarily and has no effect on the end result.
245.7 vs 243.1 works the exact same way and gives you 2.6 remaining.

But you are assuming the final calculation will remain as-is and not taking into account the fact that the king bonus is not permanent, and troop reduction occurs after the battle to account for that bonus calculation. Not during.

My assumption would be that the math is being calculated incorrectly when that remaining 2.6 troops is reduced by the 30% king defense bonus and must be ending up as a decimal, which rounds down to 0.

Bad rounding after king defense battles happens from time to time. I have seen it. The defender does not always get the number of troops back that they should. And couple that with the fact that the game uses bonuses as additive features when they should be multiplicative, and you're just asking for trouble. (You're a great guy noble but this is not the way math works and I will always argue against the additive method. Lol)


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