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Do you think users using mulitiple accounts in the same game/tournament be permanently banned?

I believe they should be banned as these actions directly affect the outcome of the game/tournament, create an unfair advantage for that player, create an unfriendly envirionment for the players playing against that user and help that player to achieve a rank thats higher than it normally would be.

This has been discussed multiple times and there are reasons for leaving the cheater active. Mainly so we can keep track of him/her. Plus, some people learn.

In V2 you didn't have to buy a full membership to play, so banning cheaters only resulted in their creating new accounts that were harder to track, so it was easier to just leave the original active so people could look out for them and investigators could keep tabs on them.

However in V3 you need to purchase membership. Aschii should look into the legal ramifications of deleting paid accounts. At a minimum it should be mentioned in the EULA that dupe accounts will result in cancellation without warning or refunds, whether he actually does it or not.

Beyond that, in the long run cheaters never win, veterans learn to look out for them and counter their tactics, the community to date has done a pretty good job of policing itself. But it may cause harm to new players who get discouraged quickly and don't get noticed by the established members of the community who never really get to know them before they get frustrated and leave.

The only way to cheat long term in V3 is to buy multiple memberships. However, disabling a paid account can easily open him up to excessive chargebacks/disputes. This is generally frowned upon by companies that collect payments online.

option 3 - or the player should be warned and the alternate accounts removed is the closest to the current SOP. but only 1st offense gets a warning... multiple offenses incur further penalties - which are levied by the lead investigator (fodder).

V3 is a little different from V2 but a lot of what was done in V2 still applies to V3. In regards to permanently deleting an account. 1st you have the legal issues with paid members. 2) It's has never been NobleMaster's policy to permanently ban anyone. Reason's why: My guess - we believe people to be good and will do the right thing after we warn them a couple of time. Also, if I recall noblemaster once said it's very difficult and a royal pain to try to permanently ban a player.

Yes, the player community usually does a decent job in policing itself. However, the V3 community is a different set of players than the older V2 community. They're huh, mobile device people (they don't think, they just push buttons) LOL. I don't think the current V3 is as in touch with things as much as the V2 community was, so I think there is more abuse in V3 or I should say more is getting away with it than in V2, which leads to a larger percentage of abuse. But this is just my gut feelings. I don't have any stats to back it up with.

So, the bottom line is I don't see us permanently banning players.

However, there are other things to a permanent ban that we can do. We just haven't been doing it because it's not policy. However, we can start a discussion about it. I have my ideas but before I mention them. I would like to hear if anyone else has any ideas of what can be done as an alternative to a permanent ban. Once I feel we have a good set of rules on alternatives to a permanent ban. I will ask noblemaster for his blessing to make it policy.

So - let the flow of ideas begin....

Lastly, yes players may rise the ranking some from alternative account. yes, it's not fair to others. However, we do discourage those who do it and most of them don't do it again. It's only the psychos who can't stop from doing it that cause us the most problems. As a result when we do ban a player, those players in the same game can get an easy kill form the banned player. That's not really fair either since they're ratings now go up. But it is better than having the cheaters go up. My point here is there is no perfect solution.

Just keep this in mind. It's a game. In the end, ranking/rating are meaningless. They don't get you anywhere in the game, nor in life so why get upset over it. However, cheating is wrong so I'm not saying just ignore it.

Having a high rating doesn't give you a prize and it won't make you defeat a player who is actually better than you, it has no real value. If players are so hung up on ranking and rating. And if this is the major cause for abuse. Then how about we just eliminate rankings and rating from the game? Personally, I don't think that will stop players from cheating but if you think it does. Then I'm willing to give it a try. That is if noblemaster agrees.

no it doesn't... but it does add a competitive factor to the game. i only play rated games (and tourneys) for this reason. unrated games are boring

don't burn down the store just cuz there's a few bad apples in the produce section - The Howard

I also am a competitive person and probably wouldn't play if there weren't some type of rating and points system.

As an alternative to permanently banning a player who is caught cheating the main identity should be banned/deleted/disabled and the newest identity maintained but that player should not be allowed to continue to play in the game they are cheating in.

I currently am involved in two games with a player who cheated. The player was not only allowed to keep his main identity but allowed t continue to play in the game they are caught cheating in. He moved his kings closer to the country with his main identity and took those countries kings, received the money and is now ahead of every other player in the money battle.

As a competitive person I know of no other situation where someone is caught cheating and allowed to continue playing in the game they where caught cheating. In almost every situation I can think of there is at the least some type of suspension and the player forfeits the game there in and sometime other games as well as their reputation for being known as a cheater.

If a player is caught cheating multiple times as is the case with the player i caught then you have to know that the player is cheating in multiple gams on a regular basis. There is no way you happen to catch a player cheating in the only games you where playing with that player. The odds are against this.

Another solution to this problem might be public humiliation. Suppose a "Wall of Shame" were created, listing all player accounts that were caught cheating? Said posting could be readily accessible from the game dashboard, allowing honest players an opportunity to opt out of playing against cheaters or take otherwise appropriate measures. Yes, the psychos would revel in the notoriety, but at least they would be exposed for all to see.

I can deal with alot of crap which I have on this game. I have been pubicly humiliated, insulted and disrespected numerous times with racial slurs. Fact

I do not understand how I catch Spago blatantly Cheating in MULTIPLE games and I have to have my intelligence insulted by Spago who is sending me messages like I dont know he used 3 accounts in a 8 player game and 4 accounts in another 8 player game? I WOULD RATHER SPAGO CALL ME A NGR, THAN HAVE TO PLAY IN THE SAME GAME WITH HIM NOW OR EVER AGAIN!


I WILL GET OVER THIS BUT RIGHT NOW I'M **** AND THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT THE MORE **** I GET.

SPAGO IS STILL IN BOTH GAMES HE CHEATED IN, HAS HIS OLD ID AND THE ONLY THING HE LOST WAS ID'S HE CREATED TO KILL ANYWAY FOR HIS OWN BENEFIT?

SERIOUSLY, SOMEONE LOGICALLY EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT SENSE THIS MAKES?

WHERE ELSE WOULD YOU BE CAUGHT CHEATING AND ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO PLAY IN THAT GAME? IN SOME CASES SAY A LIVE POKER GAME YOU COULD LOSE YOUR LIFE OR AT THE LEAST TAKE ONE HELL OF A BEATING AND BE BARRED FROM THE CASINO, HOME GAME OR WHEREVER YOU WHERE PLAYING!

THIS IS CRAZY AND WE ALL LOOK LIKE A JOKES!

SPAGO IS LAUGHING AT US ALL WHILE KEEPING HIS OLD ID AND PLAYING IN MULTIPLE GAMES CONTINUEING TO CHEAT!

DO NOT TELL ME ITS HARD TO BAN PAYING PLAYERS, WHY ARE THE PLAYERS WHO CALLED ME A NGR GONE. WHY ARE THE PLAYERS WHO MADE GAMES CALLED NGR GONE! WHY DONT YOU SEE THAT KIND OF LANGUANGE ANYMORE? BECAUSE THEY GOT BANNED! WHEN AND IF THEY CAME BACK THEY STOPPED. THE MAIN CHAT HAS CLEANED UP SIGNIFICANTLY! I WATCH IT ALL THE TIME NOW AND HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT!

CHEATING IS WORSE AND IS A SLAP IN THE FACE TO NOBLEMASTER WHO CREATED THIS GAME, AND EVERY ONE OF US WHO ARE TRYING TO CLEAN THIS GAME UP, PERIOD!

WE ARE ENCOURAGING CHEATING AND NOTHING ELSE WILL MAKE SOMEONE WHO IS BEING CHEATED, LIKE ME, FEEL ANY JUSTICE UNTIL CHEATERS FACE SOME REAL CONSEQUENCES. DELETING/DISABLING/REMOVING A NEW ID THE CHEATER COULD CARE LESS ABOUT IS NOTHING TO THE CHEATERS.

AM I TOO HONEST? AM I ASKING THE WRONG QUESTION? ARE MOST PLAYERS USING MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS AND CHEATING IN THIS GAMING COMMUNITY? SHOULD I BE CHEATING EVEN THOUGH IT GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING I BELIEVE IN?

WHY ARE CHEATERS BEING TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN THE BIGGOTS WE GOT RID OF? THAT WORKED, SO WHY LOOK AT CHEATERS ANY DIFFERENTLY?

I DONT GET IT AND I NEVER WILL!

SO LETS HEAR MORE EXCUSES WHY WE SHOULD KEEP THE CHEATERS!

be patient... the Spago issue will be taken care of

BE PATIENT!

SPAGO GOT TO BIG CHEATING AND IS GOING TO WIN BOTH GAMES HE CHEATED IN SO IM SURE HE LEARNED ALOT, WHAT A JOKE!

BE PATIENT!

i'M SO MAD RIGHT NOW I WOULD PAY SOMEONE TO GET ME IN THE SAME ROOM AS SPAGO. I WOULD TEACH HIM MY OWN CONSEQUENCES.

GR8 JOB GUYS GR8 JOB

FFREAKING RRDICULOUS

BE PATIENT

This is not the proper conduct of a moderator. Do you really think you're the only one that has been the victim of a cheater? We've all been there and yet we're following the procedures that are in place to deal with such things.

You are all welcome to invite me to a public debate, gentlemen ...

debate away sir, this topic is open to all...